Les Murray

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Les Murray

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:51 am

Excellent.

My current fave Les Murray is "The Gaelic Long Tunes". I ordered the (recently arrived) Selected after I read it.
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Re: Les Murray

Post by David2 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:58 am

Excellent also! And new to me. I'm working through a Collected from 1998, and I see this is in there. His language is so alive. It's an admonishment.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by joe77evans » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:35 am

I think what I love about Les Murray is the idiosyncrasy of his voice. There's something in his rhythm and vocabulary that is his and his alone. Sardonic, I suppose, but with genuine deep emotion for unexpected things (like a bed). I love this one of his:
http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/m ... er-0560145
and this, which combines a very gentle tone with excoriating satire:
http://www.lesmurray.org/pm_iar.htm

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Re: Les Murray

Post by David2 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:06 pm

Thanks for those, Joe. Both new to me. He's such a memorable phrasemaker. I've only read the shorts poem once, but I don't think I'll ever forget "spirituality with pockets".

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Re: Les Murray

Post by David2 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:13 am

Another (early) one from the ineffable Les: http://www.lesmurray.org/pm_aor.htm

I think it's enormously moving.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:11 pm

The gift of weeping....the need to properly grieve, to let it out. I read this as an anti stiff upper lip poem.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by David2 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:21 pm

You always have to study Les's poems carefully for Catholic content, but I think the need to properly grieve, to let it out is a good way of putting it too.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:55 am

A strange emphasis on dignity.....that the weeping is in a dignified way + (the end) there is a the dignity of "having wept". You might even read it as having dignity as a central theme.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:25 pm

So what other Les Murray poems are you liking?
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Re: Les Murray

Post by David2 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:24 pm

I've been sidetracked from Les lately, trying to finish a Selected Louis MacNeice I bought. Will be back to him soon. (He's clearly the better poet, and there aren't many around that can hold a (Roman) candle to him.)

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:26 pm

From what I can (dimly) recall MacNiece is quite inventive when it comes to form. More tuneful than Les?
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Re: Les Murray

Post by David » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:21 pm

Antcliff wrote:From what I can (dimly) recall MacNiece is quite inventive when it comes to form. More tuneful than Les?
He is formally inventive, but he also uses some of them quite a lot.

Tuneful? If he reminds me of any tunes it would be the Weill ones from The Threepenny Opera. If that makes sense.

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Re: Les Murray

Post by Antcliff » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:40 pm

Tuneful? If he reminds me of any tunes it would be the Weill ones from The Threepenny Opera. If that makes sense.
I see. Louis Mackniece then...

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