Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

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Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by churinga » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:31 pm

Which poetry ezines filter out poems already posted on forums?
I suspect the major ones do use a filter to cut down the number of poems they have to read.
Rattle gets 120,000 poems per annum. Has to whittle it down to 150.
Well worth inquiring first before posting poems to an ezine to see if they accept forum workshopped poems.

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by Macavity » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:35 am

Hi Ross,
Poems can be moved to Finishing Touch, which is only open to PG members. Some ezines specify in their submission rules that workshopping does not mean 'publication' others regard any internet posting, including personal blogs, as publication. Only one editor has ever contacted me to remove a poem from PG.

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http://antiphon.org.uk/index.php/submissions

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by ray miller » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:07 am

I've had quite a lot of poems published, all of which will have been posted on Poets' Graves at some time. So I'd say the vast majority don't bother filtering. If some do, and therefore reject a poem, they've never let me know that was the reason.
Some magazines will say something like, We do not accept poems that have appeared in other magazines. On at least one occasion I've submitted, and had accepted, a poem to Y magazine, forgetting that 2 years ago it was published in Z magazine. And I wonder, what's the worst that can happen? Is there some kind of blacklist of offenders which poetry editors share?
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Post by churinga » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm

I was thinking that large ezines may employ an app
that uses searchwords to automatically reject poems
so that the number of poems read is reduced.
It may only apply to major ezines like Rattle.
What prompted it was the stats. Rattle sent me ( I am not sure why they sent them to me )
It must be a problem for ezines to find qualified editors to read poems.
In my experience experts expect to be paid
and I am guessing most poetry ezines don't make any money.

This post relates to another in this section
about the value of forums vis a vis ezines.
I prefer forums because of the feedback
but also because the audience judges the poems
not some unpaid editor who may have little expertise.

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Post by Macavity » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:34 pm

I'm positive about editors - even those that don't like my poems :) They provide another outlet for poems and. like you said, spend time without financial gain promoting other people's poems!

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by churinga » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:05 pm

Hi Mac

It depends what you are into. I don't read ezines.
I also hate being rejected.
I like forums. I lke the collegiate atmosphere.

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Post by Macavity » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:16 pm

You surprise me Ross. I like the individuality in your writing - the use of 'CBD' - I don't find any compromise for 'acceptance' (fear of rejection).

Personally, I find rejection can be healthy, especially if it is just over the border from 'acceptance' :)

My ezine reads are Antiphon, London Grip, and Streetcake (my fav. was the Open Mouse, but it is closed). I dip into Autumn Sky, Three Drops From A Cauldron and IST.

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Post by churinga » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:54 am

Thanks for that Mac, I'll give them a go.
I was being overly dramatic about hating rejection.

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Post by Halina » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:27 am

Rattle gets 120,000 poems per this
 annum. Has to whittle it down to 150.

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Post by Firebird » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am

Is this actually true? If so, how do we know it? 120,000 subs is an awful lot.

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Post by churinga » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:30 pm

Hi Tristan

This is an excerp from a rejection email from Timothy Green, the editor of Rattle, received on June 20, this year.

.... We work hard to consider every poem fairly and carefully—both Megan and I read everything we receive without delegating that task to any interns or other readers, but we're whittling 120,000 a year down to the 150 that we publish, .....

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Post by Moth » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:41 am

When I started submitting seriously I got put off posting here for this very reason. Online editors use plagiarism checkers - at least I did when I edited articles online and I doubt it's any different for those working with poetry, so poems could be unfairly filtered out by some sites. Asking to put things in finishing touch seems such a hassle also to do would feel quite conceited on my part. I'm sure others must think the same, so I've often wondered why not just make the experienced forum only accessible to members?
to be totally honest... whenever you feel you really shouldn't write that, that's exactly what you should write.

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by churinga » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:12 am

That's interesting Moth,
i looked online and there are tons of these programs for checking both plagiarism and publication.
Poetry editors would use them, no one wants their poetry ezine full of poems folks have altready read on popular forums.
The obvious strategy is to only submit poems you havn't posted in poetry forums.

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Post by Macavity » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:01 am

Asking to put things in finishing touch seems such a hassle also to do would feel quite conceited on my part.
I hope not :oops:

I used to ask David - always very accommodating - but now the mod community has increased to JJ and Tristan. The latter uses Finishing Touch.

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by Moth » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:18 pm

The obvious strategy is to only submit poems you havn't posted in poetry forums.
which defeats the purpose of the workshop. Sad, really, especially when I read things on blogs about writing forums 'dying a death' because of this. I know there are still a lot of publications that are happy to accept workshopped poems etc but others aren't, so, to a greater or lesser degree, it does narrow down your options. I also came across one just yesterday that stated they wouldn't accept work that had appeared anywhere, even if said work had since been removed.

Mac, you are not in the least conceited! But, seriously, because, unlike yourself and other well-published PG-ers, I've only just started having work accepted, finishing touch, for me, just wouldn't feel right. Okay, so maybe this could be down to a lack of confidence in my writing, but it would be interesting to know the views of other less experienced poets.

JJ,
On at least one occasion I've submitted, and had accepted, a poem to Y magazine, forgetting that 2 years ago it was published in Z magazine. And I wonder, what's the worst that can happen?
Just wondering - didn't you have to sign a contract?
to be totally honest... whenever you feel you really shouldn't write that, that's exactly what you should write.

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Post by ray miller » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:58 pm

Moth wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:18 pm
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JJ,
On at least one occasion I've submitted, and had accepted, a poem to Y magazine, forgetting that 2 years ago it was published in Z magazine. And I wonder, what's the worst that can happen?
Just wondering - didn't you have to sign a contract?
It was me said that, not JJ. No, there isn't any signing of contracts. I think Prole magazine get you to sign something, but that's because they pay people for their work.
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Post by Moth » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:16 pm

Sorry Ray, long thread.
Oh. I've had to sign two out of three so far, one paid, one unpaid. Don't know about the third as it hasn't quite been finalised.
to be totally honest... whenever you feel you really shouldn't write that, that's exactly what you should write.

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Post by JJWilliamson » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:33 pm

How did I end up in this thread? :)

Thought I was going bonkers. Hey, no comments please. 8)

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As to the question: I haven't the foggiest.

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by Perry » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:59 pm

I just noticed this thread.

I'm curious: If there are plagiarism apps out there, don't they take time and work to use? It seems to me that using such a program would make an editor's workload heavier.
If I don't critique your poem, it is probably because I don't understand it.

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Re: Do ezines filter out poems posted on forums.

Post by Moth » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:53 pm

Hi Perry, when the articles came through to me the app had already done its job - plagiarism detected or not. If detected, all I had to do was Google paragraphs to check the source and decide whether any part was in fact plagiarised - could be something as basic as a list or facts which couldn't really be written any other way. Thankfully most of the articles were fairly short! The real work came in when the company hadn't topped up the plagiarism checker's funds :)
to be totally honest... whenever you feel you really shouldn't write that, that's exactly what you should write.

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