Permacultural

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Permacultural

Post by bjondon » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:10 pm

Our permacultural patch is filling up with
God-Knows-What
quite a bit of Probably-Dead
no small amount of What-the-Hell-is-That
its saving grace a bed of How-Did-That-Get-There
We prune and snarl with glee
uncertify the season
dig the you
of me

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Re: Permacultural

Post by Macavity » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:53 am

Interesting one Jules (if the reader takes analogies outside of the garden and applies defintions of integrity/invasive - the end point of 'me' nudges that thought process). There is a our/we/you/me progression to separateness.

def of permaculture: the development of agricultural ecosystems intended to be sustainable and self-sufficient.

Our permacultural patch is filling up with.............like a veggie plot :)
God-Knows-What.............................the idiom play with omniscience and human limits
quite a bit of Probably-Dead...............speculative assessment
no small amount of What-the-Hell-is-That................bewilderment
its saving grace a bed of How-Did-That-Get-There.................acceptance
We prune and snarl with glee.............the energetic gardeners' interference = controlled/uncontrolled vehemence
uncertify the season............imposition
dig the you.......................identifying with the 'wilderness'
of me
I could run with poetry aesthetics, but I prefer not to go there. I liked the emotion contained within the set phrases to label the 'thinking' - the release of 'snarl with glee' in particular lifted a lid.

enjoyed

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Re: Permacultural

Post by Poet » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:29 am

bjondon wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Our permacultural patch is filling up with
God-Knows-What
quite a bit of Probably-Dead
no small amount of What-the-Hell-is-That
its saving grace a bed of How-Did-That-Get-There
We prune and snarl with glee
uncertify the season
dig the you
of me
What is this poem about?

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Re: Permacultural

Post by ray miller » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:41 am

I enjoyed thinking about it, whether this is about cultivating one's own garden or political space. How would you certify, or uncertify, a season?
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.

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Re: Permacultural

Post by ton321 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:19 am

I think your piece perfectly describes grumpy old man syndrome
Tony
Counting the beats,
Counting the slow heart beats,
The bleeding to death of time in slow heart beats,
Wakeful they lie.

Robert Graves

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Re: Permacultural

Post by bjondon » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:04 pm

Haha! Thank you for bursting my balloon Tony :)
you are closest to the mark. This is not exactly
Jeremy Clarkson's Gardening Special but yes, the N is
celebrating both grumpiness and the wildness of his
garden, body, life.

mac - really like your line by line analysis.
The 'our', 'we' opens it out to a wider sense of the journey
of the ego, coming to terms with the 'other ideas' the
universe has about any planned narratives the individual may have.
'dig the you of me' - learning to like the otherness of other people leading to
accepting your own wildernesses.
'prune and snarl' - that line was originally 'prune and gnarl' (so more of a
pun about aging and perceived attractiveness) but the snarl would out!
You are reading more dualities into this than I intended but it was a very
slow write with lots of alts - so maybe those spaces are there.

Ray - I have a theory that it's only possible to write good political poems by mistake
- so I enjoyed making the correlations your comment suggested - depressingly apt!
'uncertify the season' - certify is an interesting word with about four subtly
different meanings - I was using it here to mean something like 'remove
the conventional labels', 'acknowledge you are in uncharted territory'.

Poet - the comments above might help. Permaculture is a way of gardening/farming
where you look hard at what the natural environment is already doing and
then gently steer it to what you want rather than just stripping the land and
forcing some prefixed idea on it.
Until the last two lines you could just read this as an old couple enjoying the
wildness of their garden. The last two slant it towards seeing the garden and
how the N perceives it as a metaphor about their life together, what they
expected, how things turned out.

Jules

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