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Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:14 pm
by Ros
Any sonnets you particularly like, feel are clever etc, put them on this thread.

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:42 pm
by Ros
http://www.14by14.com/Issue6/NeanderthalBoneFlute.html

With some useful words by Rose Kelleher underneath.

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:06 pm
by Jackie
Thank you for those "useful words," Ros. Important comments.

I also think something different about a sonnet is that it starts with a problem, and to write the sonnet, the poet has to solve the problem, or at least deal with it in some way. In this case, the poet was intrigued with the problem of whether the bone was a flute.

Jackie

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:49 pm
by k-j
Jackie wrote:I also think something different about a sonnet is that it starts with a problem, and to write the sonnet, the poet has to solve the problem, or at least deal with it in some way.
Why do you think that?

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:35 pm
by Antcliff
Hi Jackie :D ,
I also think something different about a sonnet is that it starts with a problem, and to write the sonnet, the poet has to solve the problem, or at least deal with it in some way
As K-J asks. I think you are right in that there is often a problem to be considered..e.g. an old school favourite:

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173660


But I am not sure whether it is a good idea to inflate this into a defining feature of the sonnet. My favourite sonnet is John Masefield's "The Waggoner"...sadly not on-line. There is no problem in it.



Seth

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:58 pm
by Jackie
I agree, I'm not thinking of it as a defining criterion. But it's hard to have a turn if there's nothing to turn. :wink:

Jackie

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:01 am
by Antcliff
Well, the "turn" or shift need not amount to much.

e.g. I am fond of this one...

http://www.archive.org/stream/leafburne ... 6/mode/2up

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:10 am
by Jackie
Ok, Antcliff, but I put it to you, what if the sonnet began with the turn? What if it started with the positive, and ended with the fearsome? How would this change the poet's solution to the problem of how to define a navvy?

Jackie
P.S. I had to look up the word navvy!

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:53 pm
by Antcliff
Hi Jackie,
yes, ha! "Navvy" is a rather old word now.

I'm not sure I see that the poet is taking on a problem in that Ernest Rhys poem....unless you say that any attempt to describe a thing is an attempt to consider " a problem of defining it". (And I wonder if that would rather trivialise the view that a sonnet should ideally address a problem? )

Anyway..here is another of my favourites. And I have to apologise in advance...don't worry, almost everybody needs a translation. I certainly did.



Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:23 am
by RCJames
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Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:36 pm
by Antcliff
RCJames wrote:Meter hounds are pro’ly gonna tear this apart.
Syllable count’s ok, but spondees, pyrrhics,
and those pesky trochees might not be in line.
But, big But, even the greats let some things slide
for the over-all musicality and rhythm – so –
that said, I’m open for suggestions and tweaks - RC

Romeo/Juliet Redux

Their families at war with each other,
rabid dogs at the heels of a stranger,
one angry son to a feuding brother.
In their own measure, away from danger,
they intertwined hands, welcoming desire,
and gifted each other unwonted bliss.
As the clans’ rivalry spun in a gyre,
the two became aware of their abyss,
a deceptive potion would remedy
the dark mire, albeit a desperate cure.
Deadly, morbid, ill-advised, the recipe
effected a demise of hearts still pure.

In full wedding night posture, unavowed,
forever’s dusky form served as their shroud.

Greetings, RC

Can I suggest that if you are asking for workshopping suggestions...as you are...that this be posted in either of the workshops? You are far more likely to get a response to a workshop request if you put it in a workshop. It is what they are for. :D

Best wishes, Seth

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:38 pm
by RCJames
OK - I'm certifiably lost now - I'll look around for the proper workshop now. - RC

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:44 pm
by David
This is the right workshop, RC - just the wrong corner of it. You just need to post in your preferred place - either here viewforum.php?f=20 or here viewforum.php?f=3. As you will. And as you have been doing already, I see.

Anyway, I'll post a favourite sonnet of mine - for that is the idea, you see - here.

Cheers

David

Re: Post sonnet examples here

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:45 pm
by David
If there were, O! an Hellespont of cream
Between us, milk-white Mistress, I would swim
To you, to show to both my love’s extreme,
Leander-like, — yea, dive from brim to brim.
But met I with a butter’d pippin-pie
Floating upon’t, that would I make my boat,
To waft me to you without jeopardy:
Though sea-sick I might be while it did float.
Yet if a storm should rise, by night or day,
Of sugar snows or hail of care-aways,
Then if I found a pancake in my way,
It like a plank should bear me to your quays,
Which having found, if they tobacco kept,
The smoke should dry me well before I slept.

— John Davies of Hereford, 1598